Hilfe--->Where can I buy Opteron 280 system in Zurich?????????

hi mutant

actually i think it's quite hard to find any opteron on the retail market at the moment. the 280 i never saw in switzerland anyway...

here you have a good overview of the currently buyable opteron cpus: http://www.toppreise.ch/grp3_933.html

also the mainboard is nearly impossible to find in switzerland... unfortunately i have no idea where to look for it... you have to be very lucky, when you want to find one in zurich...

maybe the best thing would be to buy the parts seperatly (possibly in germany) and let one of us build your system. but since you're new here, i don't think you would trust enough anyone from here...

or else you could ask transtec if they would build you a custom machine...

greetings
ganto

Hi

I know one Shop in Zürich, the Digitec. Another in the proximity at Dietikon the Stegpc. Both with with large assortment and selection.

I don't think that the Opteron 280 Italy Socket 940 is available in Switzerland. What do you want do with your new Workstation? 3D Character Designing? Perhabs a AMD X2 Dualcore CPU will be better?

Greetings from Bern
Jerry

If you really interested in BOXX Stuff. Nearest reseller is located in good old Germany. Then think about Support in Future (-)

Alias Qualified List, WS from different Companies, also available in Switzerland.

Community to maya referred, also hw. Perhaps the Community there can help better concerning 3D Hardware configuration.

List with Opteron Reviews. Opteron scales mostly better than Xeon

The Tyan Thunder K8WE ist available in Germany.

I would plan a self-build a system. That saves money and the components can be selected individually, depending after own need. With recommondation a scsi based sys, because Sata Interface will be the bottle neck, slower data processing, in a cpu/ram/graphic high end ws. Then think also about data loss, 2 storage disks in raid 1(+). In this german review they bench with Maya 6 and it performes very well with Nvidia Quadro FX. Only my opinion without guarantee

The Tyan Thunder K8WE (S2895) is really a dream

Review

pc power and cooling 850 watt for a working machine!!!!

Hi there,
the today fastest available Opteron 2xx in Switzerland is the 275.
With 1600.- SFr it is not a cheap part, 2 of them cost 3200.
looking for prices in germany, two Opteorn 280 would cost about 4500CHF and beeing 9% faster. This means 1300CHF extra expenses.

Even though it is , for a normal User, a extremely high surcharge on the original price it might be lucrative for you - your system will cost about 10'000 SFr or more anyway.

There's something i miss in your configuration:
Since your machine's that expensive, your work must be quiet valuable, as well - What about data backups?

i would recommend a Raid-1 Array or a Raid-5 Array.

If you go for a Raid-5 Array consider that most of them have quiet a bad write performance. Areca SATAII Controllers (PCIe) would be a very good choice for a Raid 5 or Raid 6 Controller.

I'm not so sure how significant HDD-Performance on your specific application is. But for CAD it's very useful - CAD Applications normally have a large Database of Objects and often need to access them.

Thus i would recommend a SCSI or a SATA(2) Raid 1 array.
-> Sata2 is cheaper, a Raid1 Array should be no Problem with the onboard controller. The Access Time of SATA & PATA Disks is much longer than that of SCSI disks (About 14ms compared to 5-8ms).
-> In term of SCSI, you had to look for a good SCSI Controller, NOT connected via PCI, but rather PCI-X oder PCIe (maybe the Tyan has one onboard).

You might stick with 2 Western Digital Raptor 74GB as Raid1 on NForce SATA Controller and an additional, large Backup disk.

if the relevant data is larger than 74GB you might buy 4 disks and build a Raid10, that would result in 148GB of diskspace. (+Backup Disk, but the data on the Backup disk should be saved somewhere else or invaluable).

i think i stop confusing you here - it would be helpfull if you could tell us how much data you expect to have (&where) etc.

cya

PS: it might be usefull to contact distributors directly. I'll ask a friend if his distributor could organise two Opteron 280.

EDIT:
Tyan Thunder K8WE has optional:
Integrated SCSI Controller (option)
• LSI 53C1030 U320 SCSI controller
- Two U320 68-pin SCSI connectors
- Connected to PCI-X Bridge B

-> what means it would be an option worth considering it.

EDIT: There are Kingston DDR400 2GB reg ECC Modules available in Switzerland.
to stay with dualchannel, you had to use 4 of them. This would mean 8GB Rams of Total but would mean 1050CHF more expensive...

however, it is not recommended to run more than 2 Doublesided DIMMs per CPU (note: not per core but per Opteron 2xx). There are actually no Singlesided DIMMs with a size larger than 1GB.
It is also not recommended to use less than 2 DIMMs per CPU because it would leave you with singlechannel what would cut the memory bandwith in half.
EDIT: Neither Kingston 1GB nor Kingston 2GB DDR400 Modules are on the motherboards compatibility list.
But there are Apacer 2GB DDr400 MOdules... you might want to contact stegcomputer.ch - they're AFAIR official Apacer Distributor.

If you buy such an expensive item im Germany don't forget the taxes!

By importing it to Switzerland you will pay 7% MwSt tax.
But the german seller should be able to discount the price by the 16% german MwSt tax. But you have to ask him. He probably wouldn't do it by himself.

It's very important for Viewport to take a fast OpenGL graphics board with one of the latest nvidia Quadro chip.

I don't think that the transtec 2200 is that what you actually want, because the picture shows two 6800 cards. For the low price it can't be Quadros

HI.

If you purchase anything from Germany you will have to pay the VAT of switzerland but NOT the VAT of Germany.

VAT @ Germany = 16%
VAT @ Switzerland = 7.6%

so, the seller can subtract the VAT and sell it to you for a price without VAT, then send it to you, @ broder Swiss customs & duty will take your parcel out and check it for anything illegal (drugs and so on) and if it's all right. Then they will send the parcel to you -> you'll have to pay swiss VAT on arrival OR they will send you an invoice later.

It might be that the seller doesn't 'want' to subtract German VAT because it's to much work for him or what ever... then you would have to pay 7.6% more than the selling price...

calculate it this way:
If the (german/foreign) seller does NOT subtract theyr countries VAT, you'll have to pay 107.6% of that what he tells you.
If the (german) seller DOES subtract german VAT, you'll have to pay ~92.8% of what he tells you.

i hope you understand what i wanted to say. I know, it's written in a very chaotic way and my english is ugly/bad anyway =D

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Harddisks: It's no problem to buy a Hitachi one. I go for them myself. Either Hitachi or Samsung... Samsung if go for silence primary or Hitachi if you go for performance (ok you might really want to consider the WD Raptor 74GB, they're much faster but much more expensive as well!)

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PSU: Enermax have a good reputation and i've recently bought myself a Enermax Liberty 620W. (and i only buy such expensive things after reading lots of reviews etc.^^)

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Memory: The problem is, that the Opterons - at this time - do not support more than 2 Doublesided modules of memory at a speed of 200MHZ / PC3200 and 1T CommandRate.
if you want to upgrade later you'd to live with 4 modules - each one with 1 GB Capacity - at a speed of 166MHZ / PC2700 and 2T Commandrate.
That's not to good for memory-bandwith hungry applications.

If you don't like that, you would have to buy new 2GB Sticks and put 4 of them into your rig.

that's why i said you might want to consider buying 8GBs now (1200CHF more expensive or so, i wrote it before)....

cya

PS: i would be glad to build such a rig - but i'm not sure if i have the time...

PPS: And BOXX sounds good, too.
maybe its - in terms of service, warranty etc. - better for you to stick with a retailer... (BoXX or that swiss one).

Germany has 16% VAT
Switzerland has 7% VAT

If you buy something from a german shop, you pay the 16% VAT which are included in the enduser-price. But if they send it to Switzerland, you will have to pay an additional 7% VAT to Swiss custom.

You can ask the german vendor if he can remove the 16% german VAT from the price you pay. You or your german vendor don't have to pay german VAT if you import the machine to Switzerland.

If you don't ask him, you will pay too much and getting the money back from german custom afterwards is not easy or impossible.

It is just a comment in case you didn't know how the VAT thing works.